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Post by Tibby on Jan 23, 2005 21:18:16 GMT -6
Hello All, This is my first posting to the "new board" (it's been a very long while) ;D
I'm hoping that some one can help with the following. I'm just desperate for info on ANY information on these Cameron's. My search has been rather fruitless of late. I would appreciate any assistance no matter how small.
Descendants of Anne CAMERON 1-Anne CAMERON b. Abt 1751, Glen Nevis Inverness Scotland, d. 21 Jul 1827, Middle Bridge Perthshire Scotland par. Alexander Cameron 12th of Glen Nevis & Mary Cameron of Dungallon +John CAMERON 6th of Kinlochleven b. 1735, Kinlochbeg Argyll Scotland, m. 14 Jul 1772, par. Duncan CAMERON 5th of Kinlochleven and Unknown 2-Isabel CAMERON b. 12 Jun 1774 2-Anne CAMERON b. 28 Aug 1776, d. Bef 1780 2-Angus CAMERON 7th of Kinlochleven b. 2 Jun 1777, d. 28 Jun 1809, Island of Proceda, Bay of Naples +Unknown MACDONALD , m. Abt 1797 2-Jean CAMERON b. 14 Jun 1778, Appin Argyll Scotland, d. 15 Jul 1857, Middle Bridge Blair Athol Perthshire Sct +Robert CAMPBELL b. 1778, of Finart in Rannoch Perthshire Scotland, d. Bef 1851, Blair Athol Middle Bridge (Tacksman) Perthshire Sct, m. 17 Nov 1800, par. Peter ? CAMPBELL and Unknown 3-Peter CAMPBELL b. 26 Oct 1801, d. Bef 14 Jun 1859 3-James CAMPBELL b. 1804, Fortingall Perthshire Scotland, d. 4 Jul 1878, Elizabeth St. Hobart Tasmania Australia 3-Ann CAMPBELL b. 22 Jun 1806, Fortingall Perthshire Scotland, d. 9 Sep 1890, Dundee Angus Scotland 3-Angus CAMPBELL b. 14 Feb 1810, Blair Athol Perthshire Scotland, d. Bef 1881 3-John CAMPBELL b. 8 May 1815, d. 4 Oct 1865, Liff & Benvie, Forfar, Scotland 2-Anne CAMERON b. 22 Sep 1780, Appin Argyll Scotland, d. 27 Jun 1856, High St Dingwall Ross-shire Scotland 2-Margaret CAMERON b. 7 Dec 1782 2-Janet CAMERON b. 3 Mar 1784 2-Mary CAMERON b. 3 Mar 1784 2-Helen CAMERON b. 2 Mar 1786, d. 15 Oct 1863, Leith Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland +Angus RANKINE b. Abt 1765, Dalness Inverness Scotland, d. 10 Dec 1824 3-Marjory/Margaret RANKINE 3-son 3-son 3-son 2-Christian CAMERON b. 17 Mar 1788 +Ronald MACDONALD/MACDONELL (Lieutenant) Descended from the McDonald's of Keppoch 2-John CAMERON
Keep up the really informative information I always find here.
Kindest Regards Andrea Melbourne Aust.
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Post by Cameronian on Jan 24, 2005 6:32:45 GMT -6
Dear Andrea, I am rather confused by the manner in which you have set out your family, but I would suggest that they are part of the Cameron of Glen Nevis line which has been included in the Clan Cameron Genealogies produced by the Clan in Australia.
The information that has been included there has been researched from:
Ref: The Camerons, by John Stewart, p. 177-181 Bygone Lochaber, by Somerled MacMillan, p. 45-47 Information supplied by Col John Cameron, Glennevis Escolme, Donald M. Cameron and Lola Tarnawski, and research by Robert S. Cameron Mary Elkins, Newsletter 1, Vol 8, and Qld clan records
It begins with: Alexander Cameron, d. 1793, 12th Chief of Glen Nevis, at the time of the '45 m. Mary Cameron, dau. of Archibald Cameron of Dungallon, grandau. of Sir Ewen Cameron, 17th Chief of the Clan, and sister-in-law of Dr Archibald Cameron.
If you have the information from these records then I will not repeat it here, if not then you can obtain it by contacting either the Clan Cameron in Melbourne or myself in Sydney.
If however this is additional information to that which is already on the CD then I am sure that Dr Bob Cameron will be delighted to hear of more information to be included into the present up-grade.
Val Smith, Clan Cameron NSW
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Post by Tibby on Jan 24, 2005 18:35:25 GMT -6
Hi Val, You are right about the Glen Nevis connection, I always add it when asking for help or info, so that people actually know which Cameron line I'm working on. There is so little information on the Cameron's of Kinlochleven, it's such a shame that to gain any insight or information on John, I need to use his wife's Glen Nevis connection, to jog memories. I have a copy of Bygone Lochaber, by Somerled MacMillan, that is getting very tatty now and have been trying to get a copy of The Camerons, by John Stewart. I recently discovered on a Qld uni web site the Aust. Glen Nevis connection, I am awaiting a reply, and I will also contact the Clan Cameron in Melbourne . I would be most interested in the Cd. Many thanks for your reply Andrea Melbourne Aust.
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Post by Cameronian on Jan 24, 2005 22:34:46 GMT -6
Dear Andrea,
The information carried on the Clan Cameron Aust CD is that of the descendants of -
1.1 Ewen Cameron, b. ?1740, d. 11 Dec 1797, aged 57, at Glen Nevis. Was wounded in the neck while an infant, concealed in his mother's plaid after the '45. Dates do not really fit the story. Joined 78th Fraser Highlanders 1757, but retired wounded as Lieut. m. 22 Sep 1778, Helen Grant of Glenmoriston, b. 1760, d. 1 Aug 1828
1.2 John Cameron of Achnasaul, Lt. Col., Governor of Fort William, b. ca 1754, d. 12 Feb 1816, Fort William m. Louisa Campbell of Glenure
1.3 Anne Cameron m. John Cameron of Kinlochleven 2.1 Angus Cameron, served heir to his father 5 Apr 1781 2.2 Jean Cameron 2.3 Anne Cameron 2.4 Helen Cameron 2.5 Christian Cameron
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1.4 Mary Cameron m. James Cameron, son of Allan Cameron, of Callart
Alexander Cameron, either Alexander above or an unidentified cousin, of Glennevis m. Christie Menzies, of Ranach (?Rannoch) 1.1 Mary Cameron, bapt. (probably) 4 Mar 1741, Dull, Perthshire m. 1755/60, (probably 27 Jan 1858, Fortingall, Perthshire) John Cameron, son of Donald Cameron, “Old Clunes”. They migrated to Ontario Issue, 10 children
Naturally not all the generation are present, but quite a considerable amount has been established already.....
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Post by ChrisDoak on Jan 27, 2005 12:29:46 GMT -6
Hi Andrea,
Discovering the direct origins of anybody in the Kinlochleven family is difficult,as in most documents they are always described (democratically) as "so-and-so Cameron of Kinlochleven",whereas it should be more accurately "of the Kinlochleven family".There are a fair number of documents and references in existance relating to this branch of the McMartins of Letterfinlay,but with the usual limited range of first names spread down through the generations,it's a bit of a guddle trying to work out who is who.Sorley McMillan in "Bygone Lochaber" also had this problem.
This is my interpretation of the descent of the family,though at this stage,it is not in the least guaranteed!You gave a numbering system to the heads of the family,but mine is different so as to identify the relationships.It is,I hope,not too difficult to interpret.(Additionally the Head of the Kinlochleven family,at any given time,is indicated with a [#]):
1.MARTIN McMARTIN,2nd of Letterfinlay.
2.His son,JOHN McMARTIN[#],Possessor of Kinlochleven,early to mid.1600s.
3.His son,ANGUS CAMERON[#](along with Angus's brother DUNCAN),Wadsetter of Kinlochleven from mid 1600s till his death in 1689.
4.His son,JOHN CAMERON[#],Possessor of Kinlochleven,and Wadsetter of Kinlochbeg.Married to ISABELL CAMPBELL of Barcaldine.John died circa 1720,and Isabell re-married to John Cameron of Erracht.She died 1761.They had at least 4 sons:Donald,Angus,Duncan,John.
5.1.DONALD CAMERON [#]of Kinlochleven,married to MARGARET CAMERON,died 1720.One son:John.
A.JOHN CAMERON [#]of Kinlochleven.Tutored by his uncle,Duncan Cameron,after his father's death.No record of John after 1744.A casualty of the Rebellion maybe?
5.2.ANGUS CAMERON[#],Tacksman of Kinlochleven from 1720 till his death in 1755.Married(against his family's wishes)to a JANET CAMERON in 1733.Known children:John,James,and Margaret.
A.JOHN CAMERON [#]of Kinlochleven,married UNA McDONALD of Glencoe 1760.Known children:Angus,Peggy,and Hugh/John.
1.ANGUS CAMERON[#] of Kinlochleven,born 1760.In cratorship of his uncle James Cameron,throughout his childhood.Ensign in the 37th Regiment of Foot,he had a child with his 2nd cousin JANET CAMERON(their grandmothers were sisters),eldest daughter of John Cameron of Callart.Angus died in Ontario,Canada in 1847.
2.PEGGY,born 1762,married Ensign DONALD CAMERON in 1778.
3.HUGH/JOHN CAMERON of Kinlochleven,born 1762.
B.JAMES CAMERON,curator for his nephew Angus(see 1.above).Possibly had a son James Yr.
C.MARGARET.No information.
5.3.DUNCAN CAMERON of Kinlochbeg,Possessor there since at least 1730.Tutor to his nephew John.Still alive in 1765.Wife unknown.Sons:John and maybe Duncan Yr.
A.JOHN CAMERON,Tacksman of Kinlochbeg,and also Possessor of Kinlochleven from 1762 - 81.Married ANN CAMERON of Glenevis family.Many children.
B.DUNCAN CAMERON Yr?
5.4.JOHN MOR CAMERON,alias McMARTIN,Tacksman of Inchree 1718-25,Sallachall,and Leck in 1743.Possibly 2 sons;Angus and John.
A.ANGUS CAMERON,in Kinlochmore 1780?
B.JOHN CAMERON,in Inchree 1754,and Leck 1760?
I shall see if I can dig up some more info for you,
Regards,Chris.
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Post by Cameronian on Jan 27, 2005 16:24:35 GMT -6
Chris, our accepted research begins with:
Alexander Cameron, d. 1793, 12th Chief of Glen Nevis, at the time of the '45 m. Mary Cameron, dau. of Archibald Cameron of Dungallon, grandau. of Sir Ewen Cameron, 17th Chief of the Clan, and sister-in-law of Dr Archibald Cameron.
Do you not have him recorded in this position in your line of descent.
The Alexander Cameron records (apart from the pervious given reference points) have been compiled from information contributed from members descending from his family who immigrated to Australia.
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Post by Tibby on Jan 28, 2005 6:42:52 GMT -6
Hello Chris, Thank you for the chart and explaination. I'm still trying to work out a better charting system. I shall now try and absorb yours.
Discovering ANY of the families origins has been rather difficult, as you say the difference between "of the family of Kinlochleven" and of Kinlochleven" only adds to the confusion, I'm sure numerous people feel.
The information that I have managed to find has in some cases differed greatly . There seems to be a glut of info on certain Cameron lines and nearly nothing on the others. Which is utterly frustrating,
I am most appreciative of any info and or a point in the right direction. I thoroughly enjoy your very informative posts and regularly trawl through the "archives" to jog my memory
Regards Andrea
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Post by SherbrookeJacobite on Jan 28, 2005 17:49:03 GMT -6
Chris, our accepted research begins with: Alexander Cameron, d. 1793, 12th Chief of Glen Nevis, at the time of the '45 m. Mary Cameron, dau. of Archibald Cameron of Dungallon, grandau. of Sir Ewen Cameron, 17th Chief of the Clan, and sister-in-law of Dr Archibald Cameron. Do you not have him recorded in this position in your line of descent. The Alexander Cameron records (apart from the pervious given reference points) have been compiled from information contributed from members descending from his family who immigrated to Australia. Excuse me for sticking my crooked nose in here, but I don't think Val and Chris are at odds here - Anne was descended from Glen Nevis - and she married a John from Kinlochleven. Chris was just showing the Kinlochleven line. I have been following this with interest, as I believe the Kinlochleven Camerons are closely related to my family. Thank you both for providing the information. Slainte, John
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Post by Cameronian on Jan 28, 2005 18:08:41 GMT -6
Well as one crooked nose to another, I am most interested to hear from Chris as to whether you are correct, and to whether he agrees with the Glenevis line....accuracy is what we are all aiming for as Clan Cameron Australia head toward making all these records available on-line in a few weeks....
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Post by ChrisDoak on Jan 29, 2005 6:17:03 GMT -6
Hi All,
I'm just trying to stick with the Kinlochleven family for the moment,it might be better sorting out the Glenevis family on a different query,to prevent confusion.I am not a great fan of Alexander Cameron of Glenevis(8 or 9 kids by the way),and his brother Samuel,so am looking forward to getting stuck into them!
Anyway,I was through at the National Archives of Scotland yesterday,with the sole intention of having a look at a large bundle of papers dealing with the Kinlochleven family,contained within the holdings of the Campbells of Barcaldine.Primarily they dealt with the death of John Cameron of Kinlochleven in 1762,settling his debts,and the process of educating his only son Angus till he reached adulthood.The papers clarified a lot of the family history prior to young Angus,so here is the most accurate assessment I can muster for the Kinlochleven family,and which supercedes my previous entry:
[1].MARTIN McMARTIN,2nd.of Letterfinlay.
[2].His 2nd son JOHN,Possessor of Kinlochleven,early/mid 1600s.
[3].His sons ANGUS CAMERON and DUNCAN CAMERON,Wadsetters of Kinlochleven in 1667,Angus till his death in 1689.
[4.]JOHN CAMERON(son of Angus),Possessor of Kinlochleven,Wadsetter of Kinlochbeg.Died 1720.Married to Isabell Campbell of Barcaldine(subsequently married to John Cameron of Erracht,and died 1761).Children:1.Donald.2.Angus.3.Duncan.4.John.
[5.1].DONALD CAMERON of KINLOCHLEVEN,died Appin 1720.Married to Margaret Cameron.Children:A.John.
~A.JOHN CAMERON of KINLOCHLEVEN Yr.Tutored by his Uncle Duncan after his father's death.Last record of John is in 1744.
[5.2].ANGUS CAMERON of KINLOCHLEVEN,Tacksman from 1720 till his death in 1754.Married 1.Margaret Campbell (daughter of Alexander Campbell of Barcaldine) 1709,Margaret died 1730.Children:A.John.B.Margaret. Married 2.Janet Cameron(his servant maid) 1733,against the strong wishes of his family.Children:C.James.D.Alexander.E.Jean.
~A.JOHN CAMERON of KINLOCHLEVEN,died 1762.One illegitimate child:1.Duncan.Married Una McDonald(sister of John McDonald of Glencoe.Una subsequently went on to marry an Allan Cameron) 1760.Children:2.Angus.3.Peggy.
-1.DUNCAN CAMERON.Illegitimate son,mother unknown.Probobly born circa 1740,as he made an attempt in 1763 to inherit something from his deceased father's estate.
-2.ANGUS CAMERON of KINLOCHLEVEN.Born 1760.Brought up in the Curatorship of his uncle James Cameron,and father's cousin John Cameron of Kinlochbeg.An Ensign in the 37th Regiment of Foot,he married his 2nd cousin Janet Cameron,eldest daughter of John Cameron of Callart.(Their grandmothers were cousins).Children:one at least - no name.Angus died in Ontario,Canada in 1847.
-3.PEGGY.Born 1762.Married Ensign Donald Cameron,of William Gordon's Regiment of Foot,1778.
~B.MARGARET.No information.
~C.JAMES.Curator of his nephew Angus,after the death of his father in 1762.Possibly had a son James Yr.
~D.ALEXANDER.No information,but he was alive in 1762.
~E.JEAN.No information.
[5.3].DUNCAN CAMERON of KINLOCHBEG.Still alive in 1769.Married to unknown,but I would be surprised if it wasn't either a Cameron,a Campbell,or a McDonald.Children:A.John.B.Duncan ?.
~A.JOHN CAMERON of KINLOCHBEG.Born 1735.Also Possessor of Kinlochleven 1762 - 81.Married:Ann Cameron,daughter of Alexander Cameron of Glenevis,1772.Children:1.Isabel.2.Anne.3.Angus.4.Jean.5.Anne.6.Margaret.7.Janet.8.Mary.9.Helen.10.Christian.11.John ?.
-1.ISABEL,born 1774. -2.ANNE,born 1776. -3.ANGUS,born 1777,died Bay of Naples 1809.Married to (blank) McDonald. -4.JEAN,born 1778,married to Robert Campbell,died 1857 Blair Atholl. -5.ANNE,born 1780. -6.MARGARET,born 1782. -7.JANET,born 1784. -8.MARY,born 1784. -9.HELEN,born 1786,married to Angus Rankin. -10.CHRISTIAN,born 1788,married to Ronald McDonald of Keppoch. -11.JOHN ?.
~B.DUNCAN Yr ?
[5.4].JOHN MOR CAMERON alias McMARTIN,Tacksman of Inchree 1718 - 25,and Leck in 1743.Married:Janet McDonald.Children:A.Angus.B.John.
~A.ANGUS.Living in Kinlochmore in 1780.
~B.JOHN.Living in Inchree in 1754,and Tacksman of Leck from 1761 - 73,when he went to America.
Andrea,hope this gives you a wee bit more information about the Kinlochleven family,though it's a pity there is not too much else known about Duncan Cameron of Kinlochbeg.
Regards,Chris.
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Post by Cameronian on Jan 29, 2005 7:02:13 GMT -6
Thank you Chris,
Dealing with Kinlochleven alone is not all that easy either, we do have one of that line who migrated to Australia , a descendant of :
Donald Cameron of Blarachaorin Son of Duncan Cameron, son of John Cameron or MacMartin of Kinlochleven who was second son of Martin, 2nd of Letterfinlay, Loch Lochy, he married a Rachel Macgregor, dau. of Duncan Macgregor of Dunan, Rannoch, and ... Cameron of Glennevis
Their son John Cameron, settled at Camuserracht, Loch Rannoch, ca. 1677. He d. 1690 m. dau. of John Macgregor of Ardlarich, who was widow of his uncle, Patrick Macgregor of Dunan.…Issue 2.1 Donald Roy Cameron 2.2 Duncan Cameron 2.3 John Cameron All 3 brothers were out in '15
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Post by ChrisDoak on Feb 2, 2005 12:31:41 GMT -6
One wee omission from my Kinlochleven tree of 29 January: I have a note from the Kinlochleven Papers of a document (no detail) entitled "Testament of Ann McDonald,Relict to Angus Cameron.1714".This presumably was the wife of Angus of Kinlochleven,who died in 1689.Additionally,there is mention (no detail) of a "Contract of Marriage of James McDonald and Anna Cameron.1729".Not too sure where she fits in.
Regarding Donald Cameron of Blarachaorin setting up home in Rannoch with the McGregors,I think that some other members of the family continued to live there after he left.
Blarachaorin,high up in hills of Mamore,approx.6 miles to the north-west of Kinlochleven,also had a gaggle of McGregor families living there in the late 1700s,presumably under a reciprocal arrangement.
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Post by Tibby on Feb 3, 2005 18:36:32 GMT -6
Hi All, TEXT. I have spent years trawling through books, films etc.. trying to find ANY THING regarding the Cameron's of Kinlochleven. What I did manage to find, was that any one associated with the Glen Nevis line seems to have been tarred and feathered with them. Which must have been terribly difficult for later generation. I know I feel it now and I'm a good many generations removed. It's a bit like having Campbell's in the family Again I thank you all for your efforts and will now try and absorb all this new info, I at least have a TEXT starting point now. Maybe I will start on the Glen Nevis lot next. I really like fire works ;D and am lacking lots there too. Again Thank You Andrea
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Post by Tibby on Feb 3, 2005 18:39:26 GMT -6
Not sure what happened in my last post, the word text appears ? twice. No idea why ?? Andrea
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Post by Tibby on Feb 3, 2005 18:40:35 GMT -6
Not sure what happened in my last post, the word text appears ? twice. No idea why ?? Possibly pressed on some thing I should not have. Andrea
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Post by ChrisDoak on Feb 7, 2005 12:26:35 GMT -6
It's a hazard of the board Andrea,probobly one of it's wee foibles.I often end up with the letter D, at the beginning of Donald, substituted ,for no apparent reason,with a smiley face.
Anyway,back to the Camerons of Kinlochleven.
I certainly knew very little about them until I delved into the bundle of papers at the National Library of Scotland.The documents(ref.no.GD170/408),whilst providing some valuable genealogical information,also reveal an illuminating background to this mid-ranking,McMartin Cameron family.
John Cameron of Kinlochleven,when he died in 1762 aged around 40,left a young widow and two toddler children.As his son was now head of the Kinlochleven family,his education and upbringing had to be organised by his close male relatives - and it all had to be paid for.When John died,he left a number of debts to be settled - nothing major,but a few pounds to various neighbours,wages to his employees,and (curiously) £2.15.6d to "Henderson,Pyper,in Carnoch,Glencoe."(This chap was most likely a descendant of Big Henderson of the Chanter,hereditary piper to McDonald of Glencoe at the time of the 1692 Massacre.)
The control of the deceased John's affairs was not entrusted in his widow's hands,for the contents of their house and farm had to be sold to pay off the debts,and she was forced to return to Achtriachtan to live with her McDonald relations.
The Accounts for the settling of John Cameron's estate give a fascinating insight into his funeral.Whilst we can never know fully what the events were,or who attended it,we can get a feel of the proceedings of a typical mid 18th century funeral through a note of the expenses paid out:
-John McDougall,Miller,Glencoe,for making the coffin......£0.10.0d. -John Cameron,Smith,Maryburgh,for a set of shield and handles for the coffin......£1.0.6d. -Margaret Cameron,Bridge of Nevis,for making the Soa(?) for the Corps......£0.10.6d. -James Cameron,Keeper of the Mort Cloth,Maryburgh,for use of the Mort Cloth......£0.14.0d. -Dugald McDonald,Taylor in Maryburgh,for butter and cheese for use at the funeral.......£2.4.1d. -Adam Carth.,Baker,Fort William,for flour baked for the funeral.......£0.13.7d. -John Cameron,Tacksman of Kinlochleven,for poultry for the funeral.........£0.6.0d. -Allan McInnes,Cook at Maryburgh,for dressing and cooking the entertainment for the funeral.......£0.8.10d. -Ewan Cameron,servitor at Kinlochleven,for Aquavitae for the funeral.......£5.5.0d. -Hector McLean,Slater in Laroch,for use of a boat and Hands to the place of internment.........£0.6.0d.
The funeral took place on 22 November 1762,a time of the year when it was likely to have been cold,wet,and windy.The normal arrangement would have been for the mourners to have attended the house of the deceased,and to have partaken in "the entertainment" provided.Vast quantities of "Aquavitae"having been consumed,the coffin would have been hoisted onto the shoulders of the closest male relatives,and the whole party would have set off on foot to the burial ground.Tradition would hace decreed that as a McMartin,John should have been buried with his ancestors at the McMartin burial ground at Muccomir on the banks of Loch Lochy.It is likely,I would imagine,that as it would have taken two days to transport his coffin there,that the Kinlochleven McMartin Camerons were interred instead on the island of Eilean Munde in Loch Leven.
Accompanied,maybe,by the pipes of Mr Henderson,the funeral party (men only) would have taken a 2 to 3 hour walk along the banks of the Loch,until a suitable spot was reached for Mr McLean's boat to transport the coffin and the party across to the island.There John would have been buried beside his father and mother. -
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Post by ChrisDoak on Feb 7, 2005 13:00:58 GMT -6
The funeral over,the next process in winding-up John's estate was the sale of the contents of his house and farm by public roup.Those items that were not be sold,but to be retained for his son's "behoof",are listed in the documents,and valued as follows: -"A silver jugg with (Kenlochliven) engraven upon it,weighing 6 ounces,3 drops and a half,according to an account thereof transmitted by the makers after the defunct's death.......£2.3.6d."(Valued by the makers Lothian & Robertson,who had still not been paid for it). -"A silver punch spoon (engraved as foresaid) with a timber handle." -"Two large chests valued at £0.15.d."(for holding meal,and found in the pantry of the house). -"A timber weigh beam mounted with Iron,valued at £0.2.6d." -"Potatoes sown in Spring last.......£1.6. ." The Roup of the household "plenishings and furnishings" was held on 17 May 1763,and lubricated by the provision of 9 chappins of rum,and 3 of aquavitae,103 Lots raised a total of £57. Some neighbours went away with small items: -One hand-candlestick,sold to Duncan Rankin in Sallachill.........£0.0. . -One rough hide sold to Donald Cameron,Workman in Kinlochleven......£0.9.1d. Some neighbours went away with many.John Campbell of Killasnicon (Caolasnacoan)for instance,purchased 9 lots,including: -2 dozen pewter plates and 1 dozen plain plates........£1.6.0d. -One pewter basson......£0.1.6d. -One chapand decanter......£0.0. . But it was primarily John's close relatives who secured the greater part of his household goods.John Cameron in Leck secured 9 items,including: -Two pewter bedpans......£0.3.0d. -One fire tongs.....£0.0.6d. -One cheese chess......£0.0. . The deceased's brother James purchased 13,including: -One folding table.......£0.7.0d. -Half a dozen chairs.....£0.10.0d. -One saddle and bridle....£0.16.0d. And Duncan Cameron of Kinlochbeg aquired 20,most notably: -One creel chest......£0.10.6d. -Dozen white stone deep plates.......£0.3.6d. -Three timber trenchers.....£0.0.3d. -One slaughter spade.....£0.2.10. -Two and a half dozen small bottles......£0.6.3d. -Two cows and a stirk........£5.5.0. And what about his wife,Mrs Cameron?She didn't do too badly either,purchasing a total of 16 lots of a more luxurious nature: -One small table with a drawer and lock.....£0.3.0d. -One chimney shovel.......£0.1.1d. -One smoothing iron.....£0.0.6d. -One timber peck and dippies.......£0.0.11d. -One feather bed and balaster and two pillows......£1.17.0d. -Two pairs of sheets......£0.16.6d. -A small Copper.......£1.4.6d. -One table cloath......£0.6.0d. -Four servites.......£0.3.7d. -One looking glass.....£0.2.3d. And a sure sign of the onward march of civilization -------- -"Six china cups with sassers,and tea kettle,and six silver teaspoons,and shagreen case........£1.1.0d." !
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Post by Alans on Feb 8, 2005 4:49:13 GMT -6
Masterly research Chris and also extremely interesting!
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Post by ChrisDoak on Feb 21, 2005 12:08:44 GMT -6
Thanks for your comments,Alan,I always try my best!
Right,so before we put this topic to bed,I must just express my condolences to poor widow Cameron.It was bad enough that she lost her husband of two years,but to be forced out of her home - and to lose all her wedding presents to her husband's relatives - must have been particulary stressful,at a time when she certainly didn't need it.However,she did go on to marry an Allan Cameron (who he?) soon after,and have another 7 kids by the time she was unfortunately widowed again in 1780.
The quantity of whisky (£5.5.0 worth) provided for the funeral must have been around 100 pints,I reckon.By all accounts,this was not an abnormal amount to be provided for the occasion.Funerals at this period have gained a certain reputation for their rowdiness,but it was only some 75 years later that something was done to attempt to dignify the event.The Kirk Session Minutes for the Parish of Kilmallie,record that in 1836,"in consequence of intemperance and riots at funerals through the custom of presenting immoderate quantities of ardent spirits",the Session was keen for all the Heads of Families in the district to sign a Bond to the effect that no more than "two ordinary sized glasses of spirits" be given at the house of an individual,prior to the departure of the funeral,and only one more at the place of internment if the distance was greater than 4 miles.It is unclear how successful they were in this wish - it would not have been popular.
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Post by Thomas Cameron on Feb 21, 2005 13:18:59 GMT -6
Chris, Absolutely fascinating. It's good to see genealogy reach beyond the usual, necessarily "dry" facts to take on a human face. In this instance that "face" would be the widow Cameron, a lass who just couldn't stay away from those Cameron men! I also found the quantity of whisky amazing - yikes, 100 pints!
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