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Post by mcintaylor on Apr 13, 2004 18:13:29 GMT -6
The Place name STRATHEACHAIG is given for the place that the Taylor Dhub went and where the family of Mac In Taillear's were in the 1800 century.
Does anyone know where this place is. I wonder if I am looking at a wrong spelling.
Thanks for your help.
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Post by ChrisDoak on Apr 15, 2004 9:52:03 GMT -6
Hiya,
You will find Stratheachaig on the Cowal peninsula of Argyll,some 100 miles south of Lochaber.
The River Eachaig flows from Loch Eck into the Holy Loch,and Stratheachaig was presumably located where the land flattens out either side of it (the "strath").
Hope this helps you with your search,but as well as these McIntailors/Camerons in Cowal,there were certainly some still living in Lochaber in the 18th century.
Cheers, Chris.
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Post by anne on Jun 20, 2008 16:33:19 GMT -6
Hi, I post infrequently--hope I am doing this right. I am a Taylor. I found my oldest know Taylor ancestor, James Taylor, born 1784 in Fife. He was in HMRN, serving under Admiral Nelson at the Battle of Trafalgar on 21 October 1805. After 1832 immigrated to Maryland. documentation for his birth was found on the official UK Royal Navy web site, where they listed all the sailors who served in the Battle Of Trafalgar--their ship, their age, their rank, their birth place. Family records say he was in the battle. The family story is that he was one of 10? Scottish brothers from the Trossachs. The first 8 were pressed into the Navy and died at sea. #9 was my ancestor James who was pressed, served, and was discharged. # 10 ran away to USA or Canada to escape being pressed and was never heard from again. I'd like help tracing him back even farther, and I would also like your recommendation of a book I could read telling the history of our Black Taylor sept. Why did they move away? Was it religion? Thanks, Anne Hilts, Tucson AZ USA
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Post by SherbrookeJacobite on Jun 20, 2008 19:41:06 GMT -6
Hi Anne,
I'm sorry I can't help you with a book reference - other than our own Clan history, which may provide some of the answers you are looking for. I believe it can be purchased from the Clan museum at Achnacarry (see the link on the Clan webpage at http://www.clan-cameron.org)
As for how the Taylor's came to leave Lochaber, the following is also from our Clan website (and can be found under the "Septs" section).
The Taylors who are affiliated with Clan Cameron as a sept are said to be descended from Donald "Taillear dubh na tuaighe" (Black tailor of the [Lochaber] axe), who lived in the time of Mary Queen of Scots. He was the "natural son" of Ewen Cameron, 14th Chief of Clan Cameron and a daughter of the Chief of Clan MacDougall, out of wedlock. Ewen had Donald nursed by a tailor's wife at Lundavra; thus the name Taylor. After his father's death (Ewen died while a captive of the Chief of the MacDougalls, held prisoner until he agreed to marry the Chief's daughter), Donald would became the greatest warrior that Clan Cameron had even known. Acknowledgement of his parentage by his deceased father not being enough to ascend to the Chiefship, he excelled in the field of battle, usually against the Cameron's principal foes, the Clan Mackintosh and usually with his trusty Lochaber axe. In time he would flee rising Cameron-Mackintosh internal Clan treachery, with a band of loyal followers, to Cowal. The descendants of his followers there were for ages known as Mac an taillear; later as Taylor. A tribute to Donald remains in the Cameron Coat of Arms, where his likeness, along with a Lochaber axe, borders/protects the outer shield.
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Post by anne on Jun 23, 2008 14:21:42 GMT -6
Thanks, I loved getting a reply! I expected to get automatic notification but did not. Still learning how to navigate this site. I will order your book. Thanks for writing it. I know Camerons fought for the Jacobite cause at Culloden and my Taylor grandmother in Iowa had Presbyterian missionaries in her family. Something changed in the interim. Could it be that was the internal disagreement (to remain Catholic vs. turn Protestant) that led the Taylors to move to Cowal during the time of Mary Queen of Scots? Scots were killing each other then over religion then, if I remember my history. Best regards, Anne
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Post by gaelgal on Jun 23, 2008 21:05:02 GMT -6
Hi, Anne! I'm a Taylor, too! Isn't John just a wealth of information?! Welcome to the message board!
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Post by SherbrookeJacobite on Jun 25, 2008 23:08:07 GMT -6
Hi Anne, I'm happy to reply - there are few things I like better than Scottish history, and that of our Clan in particular.
I certainly hope I didn't give the impression that I wrote the book on the history of the Camerons! The book " The Camerons - A History of Clan Cameron" was written by Major John Stewart of Ardvorlich. He was the brother-in-law of the 26th Chief of our Clan, Sir Donald Hamish Cameron, father of the current Lochiel. The book was published by the Clan Association in 1974, with a second edition published in 1981.
The issue of religion as it affected our Clan was one which has long fascinated me. Although it was a hugely divisive issue among Scots for several hundred years - it does not seem to have significantly divided our Clan. At the time of Culloden we were considered a Protestant Clan, largely because our Chief was Episcopalian. Many of the Clan were Presbyterian - and a good number were Roman Catholic. Our Clan, led by Lochiel, followed Prince Charles because of our loyalty to King James, knowing that he was the true King, religion didn't enter into it. Post Culloden, I have seen figures for the parish of Kilmonivaig, for the late 1700's - when the parish would have been mainly Camerons or their followers - that showed it was approximately 50% Protestant and 50% RC. I have always been fascinated because in Nova Scotia there are many Camerons who are Presbyterian and many who are Catholics. Some apparently converted one way or the other after immigrating, and some did not.
As to why the Taillear Dubh left Lochaber and went to Cowal - it was Clan politics and intrigue that led to that move - not religion. For background, here is a quote from our Clan History by John Stewart, as reproduced on our website:
As to why the Tailear Dubh left - the most probable reason is that he was seen as a threat to the then Lochiel, Allan Cameron. Taillear Dubh was Allan's cousin, and there is a tradition that he felt, given the way he handled the threat from Erracht to the young Allan, that he was entitled to the Chiefship. Trying to follow all the intrigue from that time is certainly very complicated, alliances were made and broken, people were murdered (including both Taillear Dubh's father, Ewen Beag, and his father's brother Donald Dow, Allan's father), deals were made with outside influences such as Argyll and the MacIntosh. It was against this complicated backdrop that Taillear Dubh left. Although it is impossible to know for certain, it was very likely over suspicions and clan political intrigue rather than religion.
Sorry for the long winded post - I do sometimes get carried away! I am fascinated by the subject and do love talking about it.
Slainte,
John
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Post by SherbrookeJacobite on Jun 25, 2008 23:11:35 GMT -6
Hi, Anne! I'm a Taylor, too! Isn't John just a wealth of information?! Welcome to the message board! Thanks Gaelgal - I often say that I have a head full of useless trivia, and can't remember anything important! But, at least here there are people who appreciate it.
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Post by gaelgal on Jun 26, 2008 18:44:09 GMT -6
I do appreciate all of your "useless trivia" as you put it! I do! Between your posts and those of Val (Australia) and Chris Doak (Scotland), I learn a lot!
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