Camerons of Campsie, Stirling, Scotland

[Paula]

My Gx3 Grandfather was Donald Cameron born about 1824. He married Susanna McLeod in 1848 in Campsie, Stirling. They had 2 children in Campsie, Donald, born 1849 and Duncan born in 1850. They migrated to Australia in March 1853 on the ship "Childe Harold" arriving in Geelong, Victoria in June. I have been told that Donald's mother was Janet but have no evidence of this myself. There appeared to be quite a lot of Cameron's in Campsie. I have collected some information as I figure it will become useful at some point (or rather I hope it does).

[Cameronian]

Good morning Paula,

Clan Cameron research in Australia has only one Cameron arriving on the “Childe Harold” and that is:

Euphemia Cameron m. 1829, Kilmallie, John McPhee. Carter
1.1 Catherine McPhee, b. 1830
1.2 John McPhee, b. 1832/3, Fort William, d. 1899, aged 67
Migrated to Melbourne 1852, with 2 cousins, probably in "Childe Harold"
Miner, then coach operator, later with Cobb and Co. Then owned property "Woodstock" in Victoria
m. 1861, Vic, Elizabeth Crowley

As many of these Camerons travelled to Australia with near family relatives, it is possible that your Cameron ancestors connect with Euphemia

[Paula]

I actually don't have any documentation myself that they came on "Childe Harold" this is information passed on to me years ago by someone else doing the famiy history. Do you know how I could verify this

[Eilidh]

Dear Paula
The PRO Victoria (State Record site) has the following people arriving on the "Childe Harold"into Victoria in June 1853, as assisted British Immigrants.
Book 10 Page 97 - Donald Cameron age 26
Book 10 Page 97 - Sussanah Cameron age 34
Book 10 Page 98 - Donald Cameron age 3
Book 10 Page 97 - Duncan Cameron age 1

I will try to follow this up for you but I am in NSW so may take a little while. However, this does confirm your earlier information. Will get back as soon as I can.
Best wishes Ele

[Eilidh]

Dear Paula
Further to the passenger list of the Childe Harold. I am afraid that it is a disposal list which only tells us that Donald Cameron and family went to work for Mr Sutherland at Native Creek for a wage of 60 pounds for a term of 6 months. It says the family were Presbyterian, and that Donald was from Argyle. Perhaps the Euphemia McPhee nee Cameron (who was also on the Childe Harold) who was born in 1829 and came from Kilmallie was Donald's relative (even his sister?) Perhaps worth looking at. Anyway some details about the Childe Harold. It was a 1150 ton ship carrying 500 Government immigrants that left Liverpool on 17 March 1853 and arrived at Geelong, Victoria on 16 June 1853. The name of the Master was J. Richardson. It went out again two days later loaded with wool and no passengers. Ele

[Eilidh]

Hi everyone
Sorry I put born 1829 instead of married 1829 for Euphemia Cameron married John McPhee and Donald may have been one of the cousins. Ele

[Robert S Cameron]

Dear Paula

I have a rundown on your family, supplied by another Victorian descendant for the next edition of Cameron Genealogies which is nearing completion. Not much more on the Campsie origins, but worth comparing notes. I'll send you details by email.

Bob Cameron
Genealogist, Clan Cameron NSW

[Paula]

Thanks Ele and Bob.
Bob, I have emailed you stating that I have some different information about Donald Cameron (m. Susanna McLeod). If you find that my information is correct I will post it on this website for everyone else.
Ele, I had heard some of this information but was unsure of the source. Forgive my ignorance...where is Kilmallie? Donald Cameron was born in Morvern Parish Argyle. Are they close? Also, relating to the Childe Harold, did this mean that the family travelled from Campsie to Liverpool in order to migrate to Australia?
Thanks again for all your help.
This is fast becoming my favourite website!!
Paula

[Eilidh]

Dear Paula
Kilmallie is the Parish at Fort William.The Kilmallie Church is at Corpach which is a couple of miles west of Fort William. Ardgour is south of there and then Morven is south and west of that so it is quite a few miles away.
As to the Childe Harold departure. Liverpool was the last port in England it left from, I don't know if it had picked up anywhere else north of there. We might be able to find out, so I'll keep on looking. Regards Ele

[ChrisDoak]

Hi Paula,

I don't know if you have seen the entry from the Parish Records for the marriage of Donald and Susanna,but if not,here it is:

PARISH OF CAMPSIE.26 August 1848.

"DONALD CAMERON,Shepherd,Balgrochan,and SUSANNA McLEOD,both resident in this Parish,have given in their names in order to proclamation of Banns.
Names of Parents:DONALD CAMERON,and DONALD McLEOD.
Witnesses:DONALD CAMERON,and PETER McLEOD.
Married at Lennoxtown,29 August 1848,by the Rev.Thos.Monro,as per his attestation."

Lots of Donalds to add to the family!

Cheers,Chris.

[Paula]

Thanks Chris,
I had this information except for the parents and witnesses and when they were actually married. Where did you get this information as I got a copy of the extract and it doesn't give this extra information? I think I have traced Donald Cameron's parents as Anne Cameron and Donald Cameron with Donald being born on the 23rd Sept 1826 in Morvern. This information from the parish records certainly helps with that one.

Thanks Ele as well, after I lazily posted the message asking where Kilmallie was I got some maps out I looked it up myself. It's so easy to just ask someone rather than getting up and doing it yourself.

Something not directly related to the Camerons...I'm looking for some software to record the family history. Does anyone have any suggestions?

[ChrisDoak]

Hi Paula,
The entry for their marriage is the full hand-written entry in the Parish Records for Campsie - it's strange how your extract doesn't have this information,but I assume someone has only transcribed the basic details for you.

Apologies for the smiley faces - for some unexplicable reason,the majority of times that I type in the name "Donald",the capital letter gets transposed!

Cheers,Chris.

[ChrisDoak]

Just to clarify further,the marriage entries in the Parish Registers are spread over two pages,and I suspect that you have been given a copy of the left hand page only,and not the right.

Incidentally,assuming that Donald is the one born to a Donald and Ann Cameron in Morven in 1826,the full entry from the Parish Register reads as follows:

"Donald Cameron,Shepherd,Ardtornish,and Anne Cameron,a legal son Donald born 23 September 1826."

Other births for this couple at Ardtornish are:
-Peggy,born 12 March 1821.
-Mary,born 27 July 1824.
-John,born 7 February 1833.
-Angus,born 28 March 1835.(The family are now recorded as living at Eigneig).

This would roughly correspond with the entries in the 1851 Census,though Mary now seems to be called Janet,and there was no record of a birth entry for Duncan.

I found this family in the 1841 Census close by:

1841 CENSUS:ARGYLESHIRE,LISMORE AND APPIN.
At Kenachoile:
-Donald CAMERON,45,Shepherd.
-Ann,35.
-Donald,12.
-John,7.
-Angus,3.

No sign of Duncan again,and the boy's ages are a wee bit out,but there could be a reason for this - the collector might just have made a guess at their ages just by looking at them.Additionally,the ages of adults for this Census only had to be rounded down to the nearest 5,so Donald would have been of an age between 45 - 49,and Ann 35 - 39.

On a map of Morven,you will find Ardtornish at the top of Loch Aline(which runs off the Sound of Mull),and Eigneig due east from Ardtornish,lying on the banks of Loch Linnhe.Kenachoile lies approx.6 or 7 miles northwards,between Loch Uisge and Kingairloch.

Hope this is your family!

Cheers,Chris.

[FoundlingOfDollar]

Your problem is arising because you are using a colon, then a capital D, that particular set of characters is the shortcut for , it dosn't seem to care if there's a space between the two. You might try using 2 spaces or using a comma or semicolon.

[ChrisDoak]

Ah.......thanks for the clarification.

I'm very loathe to let the little B.get away with it,but it's never too late to learn some new punctuation!

All the best,
Chris:D.

[FoundlingOfDollar]

If you click the little box at the bottom that says " Check this if you'll be adding code (or don't like smileys)." it should keep it from converting your writing into smilies.

[FoundlingOfDollar]

Does anyone know a basic history of the Camerons in this area? I descend from Cameron Septs (Sorleys) in Dollar, Clackmanshire, which is near Stirling. This was in the early 1700s. Could anyone tell me if there were many Camerons in this area, how/when the Camerons came into this area, and if they had much influence there? The town of Dollar has a small castle that was originaly Stewart, but later became a Campbel castle, so my town of origin (and my namesake) is overlooked by a Campbell castle . Oh well, what 'cha gonna do?

Thanks,

Jordan

[hazegry]

Ya marry them lol Jordan I dont know if you knew or not but Peg(my wife) is a Campbell

foundlingofdollar said:

Does anyone know a basic history of the Camerons
in this area? I descend from Cameron Septs (Sorleys) in Dollar, Clackmanshire, which is near Stirling. This was in the early 1700s. Could anyone tell me if there were many Camerons in this area, how/when the Camerons came into this area, and if they had much influence there? The town of Dollar has a small castle that was originaly Stewart, but later became a Campbel castle, so my town of origin (and my namesake) is overlooked by a Campbell castle . Oh well, what 'cha gonna do?

Thanks,

Jordan