Re: Need your two cents « Result #3 on Dec 18, 2009, 7:30pm »
So many of these Camerons were in the military British) which used to mean going to KEW or hiring a researcher. I did that in 2005 and struck a great one nad have muster rolls and paysheet copies. However I did not know his father or guardian was in the same regiment at the time. I do now but the same researcher is not around and a different one was useless. I am reluctant to try again. In the meantime, that record section has changed their methods, some records have been discarded and it is dicey to know exactly what approach to make. In the meantime I am aging and am not adapting as well to these changes. I did hire a researcher 2007/8 and she did nothing ! Currently I shall make another approach to ARK and ask them to do the search. Some things have been removed from the list however. In the meantime he would be our common ancestor, b 1757, who enlisted in New York, 1777, by 1780 was in Lower Scotland recruiting , in Ireland late 1783, in Quebec, 1787, died 1800. Family lore says he was also born in Quebec of a soldier at the time of the French and Indian War. His son or guardian, Charles was b 1783(his gravemarker says, Inverness-shire, Scotland, a Grandson said b Quebec. I am going for facts.He was enlisted as a drummer at age 7 at Montreal in 1790. Since he was b 1783 and that was the end of the Revolution., and he enlisted at Montreal, I have been searching for refugee listing there or at Lachine. No luck so far. There were about seven camerons who stayed Quebec after the Plains of Abraham, 1759/60 but none I can associate with him. He may have been an orphan. We are said to be of Clan Lochiel, probably descending from the 19th Chief's family ( probably remotely). Several families in the USA descend from this James b 1757, and William b 1797. The latter person proved. My G/G GF Charles be 1783 may be but not proved. The two families carry the same names and after 1800 were in Town of York (now Toronto) at the same time. William's family were in Canada until leaving for Iowa late 1840's or 50. Charles settled in Peel County and died ther 1867. Sorry to be so wordy but I am hoping this might strike a 'chord' with someone. It would be great to have a response. Delphine Cameron Large 2006
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Re: Missing Cameron hunter « Result #4 on Dec 18, 2009, 9:55am »
CAMERON, Duncan Howard
— 63, Chance Harbour, passed away Friday, December 11, 2009. Born in New Glasgow, he was a son of the late Bruce and Alice (Fraser) Cameron. He had been employed at the former Hawker Siddeley, Trenton and in earlier years for McKean's Hothouses, Chance Harbour. Duncan enjoyed hunting, spending time at the family farm and traveling to Whitehead. Surviving are his very special friend, Vi Hayden, Trenton; sisters, Helen (Donnie) Murray, Sandra (Ed) MacMillan, both of Trenton; Priscilla "Diddie" (Russell) Phalen, Springhill; brothers, Art Cameron, Chance Harbour; Walter Cameron (Phyllis), Lansdowne; several aunts and uncles; numerous nieces, nephews and cousins. Besides his parents, he was predeceased by a brother, George. Visitation will be 2-4 and 7-9 p.m. Tuesday in P. & K. MacDonald Funeral Home, New Glasgow where funeral service will be held 10:30 a.m. Wednesday in the chapel with Rev. Debra Orton officiating. Interment will be in Hillside Cemetery. Donations may be made in his memory to Pictou County S.P.C.A.
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Re: NOLLAIG CHRIDHEIL HUIBH « Result #5 on Dec 17, 2009, 8:00am »
I went on- line to find out how to say Merry X'mas in Scottish Gaelic since I don't know much Gaelic . I wanted to do something special for my " Cameron Cousins " so if I make any mistakes you may go ahead , and change it I wish all you members of Clann Camshrong a Nollaig Chrindheil Huibh
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Re: latest news on Cameron Project DNA analyses « Result #7 on Dec 13, 2009, 5:48pm »
Hi John
thanks for setting me straight on the Somerled/ McSorlie connection..
Colla Uais was said to be the founder of the Dalraida community in western Scotland, having been chased out of northern Ireland by, I think, his brother back in the mid 300s.
The clans said to have descended from Colla Uais include the McDonnells/ McDonalds, McGregors (who we know were forced to hide their last names for some time), McMillans, and Campbells. A decent introduction to Colla Uais is at http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/m/macdonald_genetic.htm
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Re: WEATHER « Result #8 on Dec 12, 2009, 1:17pm »
Would like to hear from others about the recent storms we had . Here in Columbus nebraska we had 13 incxhes of snow , and couldn't get out until Wednesday .I know from the weather reports others got it worse than we did . I hope my " Cameron Cousins" came through o'k
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Missing Cameron hunter « Result #9 on Dec 11, 2009, 2:16pm »
Please keep Duncan Cameron and his family in your prayers. The wintry weather in Nova Scotia over the past week is cause for concern. Trenton man missing since hunting trip a week ago From the Nova Scotia Chronicle Herald www.herald.ca
Fri. Dec 11 - 4:46 AM Police want public assistance in finding a Trenton man who hasn’t been seen since he left for a hunting trip a week ago.
Duncan Howard Cameron, 63, left his Main Street home on Dec. 4 to hunt in the Rossfield and Laggan area of Pictou County, east of New Glasgow.
Mr. Cameron was expected to return the following day, Saturday, but no one was immediately alarmed when he didn’t show up because he often stayed out longer than planned, Trenton police said Thursday.
Family members got worried after a few days and searched the area themselves. They notified police when they got no results.
Mr. Cameron is described as being five foot eight, weighing about 165 pounds, with grey hair.
He is believed to be driving a white 1992 Ford Taurus.
Mr. Cameron also hunts in the Whitehead and Port Felix areas of Guysborough County, and around Bayfield in Antigonish County.
Anyone with knowledge of Mr. Cameron’s whereabouts is asked to contact Trenton Police at 902-752-4476.
Re: Cameron's of Appin and Kinlochleven « Result #12 on Dec 9, 2009, 11:55am »
Former GD170/408(National Archives of Scotland).
This collection of papers was assembled by Duncan Campbell of Glenure,who was appointed(?) to be Executor for the Estate of the deceased John Cameron,5th of Kinlochleven,and to be one of the principal tutors for the education and upbringing of his infant son Angus.
Duncan was a close cousin of John,and was the younger brother of Colin "the Red Fox" Campbell of Glenure (assassinated 1753).Duncan and Colin were half-brothers of John Campbell of Barcaldine,and were also grandsons of Sir Ewan Cameron of Lochiel.
There are approx.28 documents within the package,most of which comprise many,many detailed pages.They were never individually catalogued by the National Archives,and are unnumbered.I will list them in rough chronological order:
-Marriage Contract.Angus Cameron of Kinlochleven and Margaret Campbell of Barcaldine.26 November 1709.
-Title Deed for Kinlochleven.Marquis of Huntly to Angus Cameron of Kinlochleven.1713.
-Testament of Ann Macdonald,relict(widow) of Angus Cameron.1714.
-Marriage Contract.James Macdonald and Anna Cameron.1729.
-Bond of Relief.Angus Cameron of Kinlochleven.1734.
-Tack for Kinlochleven.John Cameron of Kinlochleven.1750.
-Marriage Contract.John Cameron of Kinlochleven and Una Macdonald of Glencoe.22 June 1760.
-19 year Tack for Rental of Leck to John Cameron of Kinlochbeg.1762.
-Inventory of the Personal Estate of Angus Cameron (a minor),son of deceased John Cameron of Kinlochleven.1762.
-List of Bills owed by,and to,deceased John Cameron of Kinlochleven.1762.
-Will of John Cameron of Kinlochleven.1762.
-Detailed Accounts of the funeral expenses of John Cameron of Kinlochleven.(note:organised by his half-brother James Cameron).1762.
-Very detailed Inventory of the Bills,Debts,and Legal Papers in the possession of John Cameron of Kinlochleven,at the time of his death.1762.
-Summons served on Duncan Campbell of Glenure to appear in front of the Sheriff Substitute,at the bequest of Duncan Cameron,natural son to the deceased John Cameron of Kinlochleven.1763.
-Details of the contents of the house of the deceased John Cameron of Kinlochleven,to be put up for sale.(Very detailed).1763.
-Unpaid wages due to the servants of dec.John Cameron of Kinlochleven.1763.
-List of Bills given up by the Tutors to Duncan Cameron in Kinlochbeg,their Factor.1763.
Hi Jon, I don't know about Scotland, but we are supposed to drop to -36 degrees celsius tonight - which is -23 degress fahrenheit. Which is pretty nasty in my opinion.
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Re: WEATHER « Result #14 on Dec 8, 2009, 12:52am »
Hi Jon, I don't know about Scotland, but we are supposed to drop to -36 degrees celsius tonight - which is -23 degress fahrenheit. Which is pretty nasty in my opinion.
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Re: Cameron's of Corriebeg « Result #15 on Dec 8, 2009, 12:41am »
Hi Kim, Thanks for your note, I appreciate your interest, and your assistance with the DNA project.
From reading the information on the Family Tree DNA site - I think there are more possibilities. The genetic distance leads to probabilities of a common ancestor within a certain time frame. The fact that we share a common surname increases that probability. From the website - the genetic distance I have from my Cameron matches at the 37 marker level leads to the following probabilty.
The Clunes descendants - there is a 56.62 % chance that we have a common ancestor in the last 12 generations (300 years in FTDNA calculations). There is a 96.84% chance that we have a common ancestor in the last 24 generations (600 years).
The other two matches have similar results. Therefore there is an overwhelming probability that we have a common ancestor between 300 - 600 years ago. Sometime between 1409 and 1709. 660 years would be the outer limit of probability. Given the fact that surnames weren't commonly adopted until the latter part of that era, that further narrows the window. So I don't think I could discount the Erracht or Lochiel families, especially since the Clunes descendants are 3 markers away (genetic distance of 4) - the answer could lie within one of those two familes. I think that a connection with the Lochiel family is probable, but distant, as that family's tree is fairly well documented, at least over the past 400 years or so. Erracht I am not so sure of. There were lots of sons of Erracht in the mid 1600's, and descent from one of them is possible. It would be great if we had someone who knew their ancestry was from Erracht in the project. My oldest ancestor's name was Hugh Cameron, and he was known as Big Hugh - and interestingly there is a Big Hugh Cameron in the Clunes family (not my ancestor, but perhaps a family name tradition?)
I haven't contacted the MacMillans - but I will. I see two possibilities there. One is that the MacMillan connection is way back, and there is a Cameron connection to the MacMillan family. Undoubtedly there were MacMillans who eventually took the name Cameron. What leads me to think that is not the explanation in this case is the fact that I am genetically connected to the Camerons of Clunes, who are descended from the Lochiel family, through the Camerons of Erracht. The only plausible possibility in that case is a common origin of MacMillans and Camerons (wouldn't Somerled MacMillan love that!) The other possibility is that one of our ancestors was - well you know ;-) . I do have MacMillan relatives in Canada, but the connection there is through marriage, as my ggguncle, Duncan Cameron had a daughter who married a MacMillan.
To recap - for anyone who reads this - here is what I know: My gggrandfather was Angus Cameron, born 1830 (or so) in Lochaber, Scotland - his parents were Big Hugh and Nancy Cameron.
One possibilty is: Angus and Mary Cameron of Corriebeg had a son named Ewen (Hugh) born June 11, 1783. (If anyone has any information on where Angus came from prior to Corriebeg (which was originally settled by MacMasters), that may prove very helpful)).
A Ewen Cameron (possibly the same Ewen) had a son named William christened on September 11, 1811 at Kinlocharkaig. A Ewan and Nancy Cameron had a Duncan, Peggy and Angus Cameron (born 1828) - and they lived at Camdale (Camaghael). In the early 1800's - some people who were cleared from the Kinlocharkaig area settled in Camdale. So - this is possibly my family.
Time may tell - and if not, the searching is great fun! The DNA testing certainly adds a great deal to the search, and helps to focus it.
Regardless of who I am descended from, I am enormously proud to be part of the greatest Clan in the Highlands - and thank everyone for their interest and their input.
I will let update the board on what I find out from the MacMillans.
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Re: latest news on Cameron Project DNA analyses « Result #16 on Dec 7, 2009, 11:25pm »
Hi Kim, Thanks for the update. This is fascinating stuff. For those who don't know, who was Colla Uais?
Actually, the history of our Clan does include descendancy from Somerled, through the Cameron's of Glen Nevis, originally MacSorlies. It is possible that no-one in the project is descended from Glen Nevis Camerons, or that the theory of their ancestry is incorrect.
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Clan Cameron DNA Project-- new data analysis « Result #17 on Dec 6, 2009, 6:47pm »
Greetings
A quick update on some new analyses we've done with the Cameron DNA Project. One was to compare the Cameron DNA to data submitted by Ulster Scots. The other was to compare Cameron DNA to the Dalriadic pattern (Colla Uais), Somerled, and McDonald of Glengarry.
Interestingly, the Cameron participants in the "Ardachy" group (kits 4114, 73806, 115606, 147828--but not N57898) show a strong relationship to several Ulster families. This could hint at residence in Argyll with some family members migrating to lands owned by a landlord with holdings in both Scotland and Ulster.
Three of the same people, kits 4114, 73806, and 161945 ALSO showed probable descendancy from Colla Uais.
Other kits showing possible descendancy from Colla Uais were 32223, 33269, 33684, 34558, 42149, 59512, 61542, 72156, 74479, 79435, 113494, 125142, 148113, 151689, and N8948.
No Cameron in the project has a relationship to Somerled or McDonald of Glengarry...which I think confirms the history, does it not?
Best Kim
PS If anyone has good web programming skills and would be willing to volunteer to provide periodic checks of html code, it would help me get the dna project web pages up quicker.
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latest news on Cameron Project DNA analyses « Result #18 on Dec 6, 2009, 6:44pm »
Greetings
A quick update on some new analyses we've done with the Cameron DNA Project. One was to compare the Cameron DNA to data submitted by Ulster Scots. The other was to compare Cameron DNA to the Dalriadic pattern (Colla Uais), Somerled, and McDonald of Glengarry.
Interestingly, the Cameron participants in the "Ardachy" group (kits 4114, 73806, 115606, 147828--but not N57898) show a strong relationship to several Ulster families. This could hint at residence in Argyll with some family members migrating to lands owned by a landlord with holdings in both Scotland and Ulster.
Three of the same people, kits 4114, 73806, and 161945 ALSO showed probable descendancy from Colla Uais.
Other kits showing possible descendancy from Colla Uais were 32223, 33269, 33684, 34558, 42149, 59512, 61542, 72156, 74479, 79435, 113494, 125142, 148113, 151689, and N8948.
No Cameron in the project has a relationship to Somerled or McDonald of Glengarry...which I think confirms the history, does it not?
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Re: Need your two cents « Result #19 on Dec 6, 2009, 6:32pm »
Bill
Your idea about setting up a pool to pay for DNA tests is a great one. I think the main question is how to handle the money appropriately.
I'm also adding a "most wanted" page to our hope-to-be-published-soon-dna-project-web-pages. It will list family lines that participants are willing to pay for. That way volunteers can connect directly until we figure the money thing out.
There's also a very active research group here in the US and Canada working on Camerons who moved through the northeast US and southeastern Canada. When they find direct descendants of documented lines, the question is always put to them.
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Re: Need your two cents « Result #20 on Dec 6, 2009, 2:14pm »
Oops the name of the magazine was Military Modeler it this issue came out sometime during I think arooung the Summer of 82' Maybe you might find it on the internet .
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WEATHER « Result #21 on Dec 6, 2009, 11:36am »
Ive been hearing on the world news about the nasty weather that hit parts of Scotland , and Northern England . Would like to hear from Camerons that was in the brunt of the weather , and how they came out of it . If there are any Camerons that survived the storms please post here. I'll bet there are others that would like to hear from you .
Re: Need your two cents « Result #22 on Dec 6, 2009, 11:28am »
I have been waiting several years, with no success, hoping to make a close match on the DNA test study. The few matches I've made are so distant, sharing a common ancestor 1000 or more years ago is of little help in genealogy today. The problem, I believe, is that people who know their family history have no reason to take the test. After reading John Steward's "The Camerons" where some family trees are given that go back to the 1500's I've often wondered how do we get some of these people into the study? Possible a way to pool money to pay for the test if will men could be found?
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Re: Need your two cents « Result #23 on Dec 6, 2009, 11:02am »
For what it's worth . Back in the mid 80's while walking around town I was passing a toy store . In a window display there was a model magazine , but what caught my eye was that the magazine had a article on the Highland Regiments that fought in the Battle of Waterloo in 1815 . I found out that parts of the article was based on Col. John Cameron of Fassiefern who was a Col. in the Gordon Highlanders . Some other sources said he was a Captain in the Gordon's , but both sources do agree that Col. / Capt. John Cameron of Fassiefern died 2 day before the battle A short time later I attended a Cameron family reunion , and found out that john Cameron of Fassiefern was supposed to be one of my ancestors . There's every indication that the information is correct , but I'm still not ab able to connect all the dots . While in Scotland to attend the Clan Cameron Gathering I stopped by the James Watt genealogical Library in Greenock . I've left them a copy of this article for their records . As it turned out the information that I left with them had much more information on John Cameron of Fassiefern than they had on file . Also I was able to find some information about my great- great grandfather that I've been looking for since the mid 80's when I attended the reunion I mentioned before . Just ! maybe this article might have the information that you're looking for . To find it go to your browser type in James watt genealogical library greenock scotland . As reported earlier you never know where the information you're looking for will pop up . Anyone that's reading this let me know if it was helpful for you .
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Re: Cameron's of Corriebeg « Result #24 on Dec 5, 2009, 9:29pm »
Hi John
I'm as anxious to see how test results compare as everyone else..
I ran yours compared to the Clunes line (144395) and a line we thought ended in Quebec (29051) but now may have documented for back to Scotland..once the attic gets dealt with. The genetic distance of 4 translates to about 660 years between either of these two families. Well, at least you're ruled out tracking down all the Errachts and Lochiels since the 1500s. Have you tried tracking the McMillans?
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Re: 2009 Clan Cameron Assn of North America "Annua « Result #25 on Dec 4, 2009, 7:52pm »
Terry,
The Lake Michigan Branch is waiting on its new president, early next year. In the meantime I'll e-mail you a copy. It just came out on December 1st, so it's still rather hot off the presses.
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2009 Clan Cameron Assn of North America "Annual" « Result #27 on Dec 4, 2009, 8:23am »
Greetings Canadian and America Clansfolk,
The 2009 North American Annual magazine was distributed on December 1st. Electronic copies are available from your "home" chapter or branch (as another benefit of membership).
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Re: Cameron's of Corriebeg « Result #28 on Dec 3, 2009, 10:03pm »
Well my 25 marker test results are in (still waiting on the 37 marker test). I am a match, with a genetic distance of two, from 5 Camerons in the project, who have at least 25 markers identified. The only two who have confirmed their ancestry back any distance, both trace their familes from Clunes. I will wait to see if the results hold up with the 37 markers. I am wondering, given the two markers off at 25 if the common ancestor maybe back farther - Camerons of Erracht, or even the Lochiel family (where so many branches of the family originally stem from). I guess (hope) that time and research will provide some answers.
Interestingly, I have two MacMillan matches who are 1 marker off. Given the geographic proximity of our families, I guess this shouldn't be shocking, but it leads me to some interesting speculation about the connection.
Something else that seems to be evident from the testing - looking at the origins of the Camerons who are descended from Clunes, and therefore originally from the Lochiel family - it appears that the Camerons were indeed Gaels, and not Danish or Norman - as has been suggested by at least one author.
And here is a wee exert: There has been a great deal of activity taking place at the Castle over the last couple of years, which has culminated in a major refurbishment programme. Part of this programme was requested by the British Government when I inherited the Castle in 2001, and this was the removal of the Campbell archives from the Jacob More Library (founded by the late Hugh P Moore, High Commissioner of Clan Campbell Society [North America] from 1988-1991) that was located on the top floor of the Castle. This was cared for and indeed created by the support of the CCS(NA) and the dedication and passion of Alastair Campbell of Airds and Rae MacGregor The move was required in order to protect this very valuable resource from future damage by fire, dampness etc, and to create better access for people who wish to study these documents.
There is no mention of the Campbell of Barcaldine Collection, I wish there was. Thank heavens Chris that you have a detailed list of the Cameron papers amongst that collection and as you said, transcription of some.
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Re: WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE ROBERT BURNS POEM ? « Result #30 on Nov 28, 2009, 2:50pm »
Jon, You must have decided on your favorite BEFORE you had dinner! My favorite is: "My Heart's in the Highlands". Even though I love the Haggis, too! Slainte! Terry
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